Like the re-design of the Silverdome, but not sure if MLS soccer will fly in this area
The one concept I don't know if it would work is the part about an MLS soccer team in this area.
Look, I bash soccer a lot, but much of it is done tongue-in-cheek because the people who are really into it tend to exaggerate its scope compared other sports in this country, and particularly in Southeastern Michigan. It is not going to take over for baseball in this nation, or hockey in this area. It's huge world wide, but a relatively small niche sport here. It's like once a year there is a some soccer moment that happens that is allegedly going to set it off in this nation. It never really does.
The game does have appeal, but it's limited and it's not the MLS. It's more the international game. The World Cup. The European Championship. The elite leagues in Europe. The MLS is a dud in comparison.
I did go to the AC Milan game at Silverdome in 2010. It was an excellent game. I enjoyed it. It was surreal at the Silverdome - like being dropped back into the early 1990s or something. The facility is badly outdated. They also didn't do a good job that night getting people into the stadium because the lines for security were incredibly slow.
But it's a good thing somebody owns it. It's a good thing they have interest in doing something with other than tearing it down. I wish them luck, but...
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Soccer isn't as big in the US as it is around the world, it's true. Still, after watching the women's world cup on cable, I was interested to see more. I saw some friends on Twitter talking about some of the women's professional soccer games, so I checked my TV. None of the sports channels I get were carrying the games -- including the same ones that carried the world cup games. At some point, doesn't it become a self-fulfilling prophecy? They don't put soccer on television because nobody watches soccer, and nobody watches soccer because they don't put soccer on television!
In response to David, I get part of what you're saying. There's a lot of games on Fox Sports Soccer (FSC), which is in the 700's for most on Comcast. I don't pay any extra for it, but it's got a lot of really good games on there.
NBC Sports, or what used to be Versus, will be picking up more games this season, and they do air games on the ESPN family of networks. Coverage is increasing.
I won't argue against what Pat's saying, but the market is growing. Those who are doubters can believe it or not, but a few years ago, I couldn't care less about soccer and a number of my friends didn't, and that's changed. I see the proof, and I'm part of it myself. People are investing in it because they can see the same thing. I don't believe it will ever hit the level of the "Big 4," but I think it could rival the popularity of something like MMA/UFC, and I think we know how big that business has become.
In response to David, I get part of what you're saying. There's a lot of games on Fox Sports Soccer (FSC), which is in the 700's for most on Comcast. I don't pay any extra for it, but it's got a lot of really good games on there.
NBC Sports, or what used to be Versus, will be picking up more games this season, and they do air games on the ESPN family of networks. Coverage is increasing.
I won't argue against what Pat's saying, but the market is growing. Those who are doubters can believe it or not, but a few years ago, I couldn't care less about soccer and a number of my friends didn't, and that's changed. I see the proof, and I'm part of it myself. People are investing in it because they can see the same thing. I don't believe it will ever hit the level of the "Big 4," but I think it could rival the popularity of something like MMA/UFC, and I think we know how big that business has become.
With digital cable and a subscription to the Sports Package there is about 50 soccer games a weekend that air on TV here in the States. ESPN 2 shows the EPL on Saturday Mornings at 7:30a. Fox Soccer and Fox Soccer Plus show the 7 or 8 other EPL games live and on tape delay on Saturday and Sunday's and replay the games during the week. Fox Soccer/Fox Soccer Plus also airs 4 to 5 Italian Serie A games a weekend. Gol TV and ESPN 2/ESPN 3 share Spanish La Liga rights where we see about 4 to 5 games a weekend. Gol TV also has the rights to the German Bundesliga. During the week Fox Soccer, Fox Soccer Plus, and Fox Sports Net show the UEFA Champions League when that tournament is going on. ESPN and NBC share the rights to the MLS. Not to mention ESPN Deportes, Fox Sports Deportes, Univision, GOL TV and Telefutura all cover Mexican League Soccer as well as other South American leagues like the league in Brazil and Argentina.
Seriously if you're a soccer fan you're getting served in spades compared to 10 years ago when all we got was the EPL Highlight Show on Fox Sports Net and a PPV game that cost 20 bucks a pop on Saturday and Sunday or 30 years when PBS showed Soccer Made in Germany.
I know this is crazy to think about but outside of maybe China and the Middle East due to government ran TV stations no country in the World has more live soccer on the TV than the USA.
Here is a list of all the soccer that can be watched on TV/Online this weekend. 63 games in total!
All times are Eastern
FRIDAY
England, Blackpool vs. Hull City 2:30 p.m. Fox Soccer Plus, foxsoccer2go.com
Portugal, Benfica vs. Porto 3:15 p.m. ESPN3.com
Argentina, River Plate vs. Quilmes 5 p.m. GolTV
Mexico, Tecos vs. Tijuana 9 p.m. Galavision
SATURDAY
England, Liverpool vs. Arsenal 7:30 a.m. ESPN2, ESPN Deportes, ESPN3.com
Germany, Bayer Leverkusen vs. Bayern Munich 9:30 a.m. GolTV
Germany, Hertha Berlin vs. Werder Bremen 9:30 a.m. ESPN Deportes, ESPN3.com
England, Manchester City vs. Bolton 10 a.m. Fox Soccer Channel
England, West Brom vs. Chelsea 10 a.m. FSP, foxsoccer2go.com
England, Birmingham vs. Derby 10 a.m. foxsoccer2go.com
England, Blackburn vs. Aston Villa 10 a.m. foxsoccer2go.com (tape at 2:30 p.m. on FSP)
England, QPR vs. Everton 10 a.m. on foxsoccer2go.com (tape at 5 p.m. on FSC)
England, Stoke vs. Norwich 10 a.m. foxsoccer2go.com (tape at 4:30 p.m. on FSP)
England, Wigan vs. Swansea 10 a.m. foxsoccer2go.com
Spain, Mallorca vs. Osasuna noon GolTV
Italy, Palermo vs. AC Milan noon FSC, ESPN3.com, foxsoccer2go.com
England, Leeds vs. Southampton noon FSP, foxsoccer2go.com
Spain, Getafe vs. Malaga noon DirecTV (477)
Spain, Rayo Vallecano vs. Racing Santander noon DirecTV (478)
Germany, Borussia Dortmund vs. Mainz 12:30 p.m. ESPN3.com
France, Dijon vs. Montpellier 1 p.m. foxsoccer2go.com
France, Lille vs. Auxerre 1 p.m. foxsoccer2go.com
France, Marseille vs. Toulouse 1 p.m. foxsoccer2go.com
France, Nancy vs. Lyon 1 p.m. foxsoccer2go.com
France, Saint-Etienne vs. Evian 1 p.m. foxsoccer2go.com
France, Sochaux vs. Valenciennes 1 p.m. foxsoccer2go.com
Spain, Barcelona vs. Sporting Gijon 2 p.m. GolTV
Italy, Juventus vs. Chievo 2:30 p.m. FSC, ESPN3.com
France, Bordeaux vs. Nice 3 p.m. foxsoccer2go.com
Spain, Sevilla vs. Atletico Madrid 4 p.m. GolTV
MLS preseason, D.C. United vs. Columbus Crew 5 p.m. dcunited.com
MLS preseason, Disney Pro Classic third place 6 p.m. ESPN3.com
Mexico, Queretaro vs. Morelia 6 p.m. Telefutura
Mexico, Cruz Azul vs. Monterrey 6 p.m. ESPN Deportes, Azteca America
Brazil, Portuguesa vs. Catanduvense 6 p.m. GolTV
MLS preseason, Chicago Fire vs. Charleston Battery 7:15 p.m. chicago-fire.com
MLS preseason, Real Salt Lake vs. New York 8 p.m. mlssoccer.com
Mexico, Santos Laguna vs. San Luis 8 p.m. Telefutura
Mexico, Tigres vs. Atlante 8 p.m. Galavision
MLS preseason, Disney Pro Classic final 9 p.m. ESPN3.com
MLS preseason, New England vs. Los Angeles 10 p.m. mlssoccer.com
Mexico, Atlas vs. Pachuca 10 p.m. Galavision
Australia, Wellington vs. Gold Coast 11 p.m. FSC
SUNDAY
Italy, Parma vs. Napoli 6:30 a.m. ESPN3.com (tape at 11 a.m. on FSP)
England, Newcastle vs. Sunderland 7 a.m. FSP, foxsoccer2go.com
England, Cardiff City vs. West Ham 7:45 a.m. foxsoccer2go.com (tape at 1 p.m. on FSP)
Italy, Roma vs. Lazio 9 a.m. FSC, ESPN3.com
England, Fulham vs. Wolves 9 a.m. FSP, foxsoccer2go.com
Netherlands, PSV Eindhoven vs. Twente 10:30 a.m. ESPN3.com
England, Spurs vs. Manchester United 11 a.m. FSC
France, Caen vs. Brest 11 a.m. foxsoccer2go.com
France, PSG vs. Ajaccio 11 a.m. foxsoccer2go.com
Germany, Hoffenheim vs. Cologne 11:30 a.m. GolTV
Spain, Valencia vs. Granada noon ESPN Deportes, ESPN3.com
Mexico, Toluca vs. Pumas 1 p.m. Univision
Mexico, Toros Neza vs. Leones Negros 1 p.m. Azteca America
Italy, Inter Milan vs. Catania 2:30 p.m. FSC, ESPN3.com
France, Lorient vs. Rennes 3 p.m. FSP, foxsoccer2go.com
Argentina, San Lorenzo vs. Boca Juniors 3 p.m. GolTV
Spain, Real Madrid vs. Espanyol 3:30 p.m. ESPN3.com (tape at 5 p.m. on ESPN Deportes)
Mexico, Club America vs. Jaguares 5 p.m. Univision
Mexico, Puebla vs. Chivas 5 p.m. Fox Deportes, Azteca America
MLS preseason, Portland vs. AIK (Sweden) 8 p.m. portlandtimbers.com
I feel jealous that everyone here seems to get FSC on their Comcast without paying extra. I'm not so lucky.
I don't want to rehash the argument for the presence or absence of soccer fans, and I don't want to make the MLS out to be any more than it is, but I would go to games quite often if the team was run properly. I've actually held off on making allegiance to Chicago or Columbus in hopes we'd get a team. So I'm ready for it.
I think there are enough people with the interest in it, personally. You just have to market it right. The other thing is, there are a lot of people, like myself, that have become pretty disenchanted with the major sports in this country.
I'm feeling slowly priced out of professional sports, and with the growing attitude athletes give us when they're criticized, why should I put myself out to help owners pay for their expensive human toys? I have plenty of other places to spend my money, and there are always things our home needs.
I think if MLS comes here and gives us a reasonable night out with our friends or family, they'll draw just fine. They'll do especially well if they listen to their potential fanbase and give us some input in the process. Also, the owners need to remember this is Detroit, and we're going to to want a hard-nosed, blue-collar team. Don't recruit players that play like sissies. Every time a player takes a dive, you're going to lose fans.
I agree that it has to be marketed the right way. Interestingly MLS is getting that right more often than not nowadays. Toronto, Seattle, Philly, Portland and Vancouver have had big success in their team launches. Kansas City was doing a really poor job of marketing, then the ownership changed hands, they build a state of the art stadium sized right for their attendance, now it is a hot ticket. Problem is it is hard to generate that level of interest unless there is a team in the market. There are some of us working on trying to get a team for Detroit. Problem is, so are a number of other places. It is a bit of a chicken and the egg situation, need a top level team to pull the big numbers but can't get the team unless you show you are a good market for the league.
The NFL and the English Premeir League are the exact same beasts on their own side of 'the pond'.
But when one tries to export thdeir product to the other side - it plays weakly - because the history of soccer in the US is so weak - and the history of (american) football in eurpoe is weak.
Don't you think the Premeir League would love to have a team in New York and in LA - why do you think Beckham came over - and decades before Pele - Best - Marsh - the list goes on and on of great names that most Americans never heard of.
Changing the Superdome to hold an MSL franchise is a short-term deal - and the Lion's fanbase is safe.
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