Friday, July 07, 2006

The subject of Brandon Inge

No Tigers player brings more diverse opinions than third baseman Brandon Inge. His supporters point to his home runs and RBI (he is on pace to hit 32 home runs with 87 RBI this season) and say he is just fine. His detractors point out he is a .225 hitter who strikes out three times more than he walks. I tend to fall in the category of believing in Inge. I think run production is a far better gauge of value than batting average. I like Inge's glove, arm strength and his propensity for hitting home runs at key moments. He is an athletic player, exceptionally strong for his size and a good team player with leadership qualities. I have to admit, though, when compared to the third basemen on other contending teams, Inge does fall short. Scott Rolen of the St. Louis Cardinals and David Wright of the New York Mets are much better. So is Alex Rodriguez of the Yankees. Mike Lowell of the Boston Red Sox, Troy Glaus of the Toronto Blue Jays and probably, when you get right down to it, Joe Crede of the White Sox are also better players.

Yet, in fairness to Inge, he has more home runs, RBI and runs scored than Lowell, who is hovering around .300. He has more home runs and RBI than Oakland's highly-regarded Eric Chavez - and is hitting just 20 points lower. Glaus has excellent power numbers, but is hitting just .240 and he strikes out a lot, too. Tigers manager Jim Leyland loves Inge. I talked to him about Inge recently when I was with the team in Oakland. He says Inge is his third baseman - period. He doesn't see him as being a super utility player like many others do. He does wish Inge would cut down on his swing at times and strike out less. History does say you can win a championship without a great third baseman. The Tigers used three in 1984 - Tom Brookens, Manny Castillo and Howard Johnson - who were mostly mediocre. Don Wert did not have a good season for the Tigers in 1968. Inge has played better than those third basemen in those particular Tiger championship years. He is a somewhat flawed player, but the Tigers can go far with him at third. Lets put it this way. I think he is more of an asset than a liability.

Random thoughts

- Red Wings' general manager Ken Holland was kidding when he brought in Ed Belfour for a physical, right? Just what the Red Wings don't need is a 41-year goalie with back problems. Chris Osgood and Belfour would be perfect for the Red Wings - if this was 1996. The Red Wings off-season to this point has been, to say the least, disappointing.

- A prediction: If running back Kevin Jones and wide receiver Roy Williams both play all 16 games for the Lions this season, they will make the playoffs. If one or the other gets hurt and misses any playing time, the Lions won't. I have a feeling offensive coordinator Mike Martz will figure out a way to get the most from those two players, who are far and away the Lions' best weapons offensively. Of course, staying healthy is a big "if." Neither Jones nor Williams has been very durable.

- The Tigers most underused pitcher is Wilfredo Ledezma. He is pitching exceptionally well, but there isn't much of a role there for him either starting or relieving.

 

 

15 Comments:

Anonymous Anonymous said...

Hey Pat
I really flip flop a lot regarding inge. But going by your metric of runs produced, Inge is down there. 16th in RBIs among 3B. 22nd in runs scored among 3B. and we all know where he is avg wise. I understand he brings leadership & defense to the team. But, I don't know, I just don't like the avg and Ks. I'd be ecstatic if he dropped his Home runs to 20 for the season, and upped his Avg by 30 points. I don't know if I necessarily disagree with you, but I just dont see inge on a championship team unless he focuses less on power and more on average. Also, he's only batting .245 with RISP, while higher than his avg, this is still way too low.

9:58 AM 
Anonymous Anonymous said...

Pat
quick off topic comment
on the sports inferno today, terry foster mentioned that the tigers main scout was at yankee stadium, and mike and terry thought it may be for andy phillips. Two things: have you heard anything to confirm/reject this, also, looking at Andy Phillips stats, doesn't tell a whole lot, do you know anything about this kid?

10:14 AM 
Anonymous Anonymous said...

It's Marty Castillo, Pat. Marty. Not Manny. For some inexplicable reason, he was my second favorite Tiger that year (behind Darrel Evans).

10:17 AM 
Blogger Pat Caputo said...

nick p,

I haven't looked up his numbers compared to all third basemen. I'm surprised they are ranked that low. I disagree with you about the homer and average numbers. It's difficult to measure exactly, but I'd, most of the time, take power over average. But like I said, nothing seems to be all that clear cut when it comes to Inge.

10:24 AM 
Blogger Pat Caputo said...

daver,
Those plays against Houston were brilliant - real brooks robinson stuff. He needs to make more consistent contact. I think everyone, including Brandon himself and Leyland, agrees with that. But like you, i think the good outweighs the bad.

10:27 AM 
Blogger Pat Caputo said...

fromuda,
obviously i know that, but it was a typo and i apologize. wouldn't want to offend your favorite tiger.

10:33 AM 
Blogger Pat Caputo said...

On the Yankees stuff,
Haven't heard anything about it. The scout Dave Dombrowski leans on in this situation is Dick Egan. Would be surprised if the Yankees are shopping Phillips. He's been a savior for them. Also, the Yankees and Tigers seem to be the primary competitors for the wildcard spot. I doubt they will be making deals to help each other.
caputo

10:36 AM 
Anonymous Anonymous said...

Pat
wow, ballsy prediction for the lions. I don't know if I agree with that or not, I haven't given much thought to the lions lately...

12:34 PM 
Anonymous Anonymous said...

not only darko.....mateen cleeves..........rodney white were 3 WASTED #1 picks by our friend joe duuuuuuuuuuuuuuuuumrs....and we hav 2 # 1 picks next year....one only knows how he'll screw us again w/no one who can contribute now....not for the future.....and maxiel & acker and a.j. can play given sum decent minutes....not 2 mention del-fino...peace book

11:14 PM 
Anonymous Anonymous said...

I like Inge, and I think that one of his biggest assets is that he is producing runs from the 9-hole, where BA is not as important as other slots in the lineup. I think it might be more telling to compare Inge's run production to other 9-hitters in baseball.

Also, since Ledezma isn't being used much, would the Tigers consider using him as trade bait for a left handed bat, or will they just hold onto him?

1:39 AM 
Anonymous Anonymous said...

Caputo, you the defender of the down and out! To use and oxymoron, Inge is "EXTREMELY AVERAGE"! Granted he has played very well defensively, and that has to be taken under consideration. However, offensively he is in the middle of the pack of 3rd sackers. Using OPS, he is 22nd among all 3rd baseman. Even using your theory of runs and RBI's he is 15th, right in the middle.
I will give you he is great team player, good athlete, nice guy etc.
However, you can't place him in the same circle as D Wright, M Cabrera, T Glaus,S Rolen, G Atkins, P Feliz, H Blalock, J Crede, R Zimmerman, C Jones, F Sanchez All of whom have better OPS and more total runs and RBI's.

10:20 AM 
Anonymous Anonymous said...

Inge: Don't trade this guy he can also play behind the plate. V.

7:16 AM 
Blogger Pat Caputo said...

The last few posts do indicate what I am saying about Inge to be true. Either people think he is an excellent player or they feel the Tigers should make a deal to get a third baseman. There are good points on both sides, although, like I wrote, I think he is pretty good. But he is no David Wright, that's for sure.
caputo

11:26 AM 
Blogger Tom said...

The Tigers are winning, and winning well WITH Inge. He's not killing you, he's not a reason why the team has lost games. His athletic play is an asset. People have been hating on Inge since he got here. I for one don't want him to go anywhere, I'm an Inge fan.

Question for you, Pat. What can be done with him to make him more patient, to get him better swings? Is it mental, is it just the best he can do? Can he be coached? He was a leadoff guy for part of last season and did much better. Is he just swinging for the seats too much?

PS Keep up the excellent work Pat. You're my favorite host on 1270.

12:44 AM 
Blogger Pat Caputo said...

tom,
thanks for the compliment and reading the oakland press website. there is no easy answer to making inge more patient. when he starred early in his minor league career, it was by hitting the ball the wrong way with an inside-out swing. phil garner said he couldn't hit like that in the major leagues because pitchers would work him inside, and changed him. inge struggled after that and tinkered with everything, and got so much advice, that he was totally confused. now when you ask him about it, he'll tell you he "sees the ball and hits the ball - period." in other words, he's stopped thinking and just reacting and letting his athletic ability take over. it's not ideal, but it works better for him than thinking too much. leyland has said he wishes he would cut down his swing in certain situations. but i don't think inge will change much. i think he will probably always stikeout a lot and not walk that much.
caputo

9:42 AM 

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