Tuesday, May 17, 2011

What should the Tigers do with Joaquin Benoit?

Setup men are not a dime a dozen. For a long time, a good starting pitching performance has been seven solid innings. For just as long, managers have only been using their closers for the final inning. It's made the setup man nearly as valuable as the closer.
The going rate now for the best setup man - which Benoit was reputed to be after a brilliant 2010 season for Tampa Bay - is $19 million for three seasons, or what the Tigers are paying him to be their setup man. Obviously, it is not going well. He is getting lit up like the fireworks show at Comerica Park on Saturday nights. It particularly hurt when the Tigers' long winning streak was snapped by Toronto Monday after Benoit threw one meaty "hit me" fastball after another down the middle of the plate, and was shelled in a tight game as a result.
There is a concern here, obviously. The Tigers don't have much bullpen depth. Starting pitching is a strength, but they need to be able to finish. That means getting to closer Jose Valverde, who has pitched well. That means being able to fill in the inevitable eighth inning gap.
Benoit has been a mixed bag in his career. He was utterly dominating last season for the Rays. He missed the entire previous season because of shoulder surgery. He pitched a long time for Texas. He had some pretty good seasons for the Rangers. He has some pretty bad ones, too. He's never been a primary closer for an extended period of time. Setup man is his middle name.
I see two options if Benoit can't handle it. One is obvious - moving Phil Coke to the bullpen for it. He is a gutty pitcher who has proven himself under pennant race pressure. The other is trying rookie Alberto Alburquerque in the role. He does have a nasty slider that is very much confusing opposing hitters, at least the first time they see him.
Neither is as good as the 2010 version of Benoit, but so far he's been the lesser version from pre-2010.

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Anonymous Anonymous said...

Could Ryan Perry be a setup guy?

10:12 AM 
Blogger Barry said...

Pat, there is one way to spell set-up man and that is Perry. I think Ryan Perry has finally come into his own. That cut fastball he has is a good one. Second only to Rivera. He should become 8th inning guy and challenge Valverde next year for the closer spot if he can mix the cutter with his other pitches. Surprisingly he has become a three pitch pitcher. I do like your suggestion of moving Coke and Alberto A to the 7th inning role. Even though I like to have seen if Coke can make more adjustment as a starter. He reminded me of a bit K Rogers. Bringing Oliver or Furbush up does make sense. Oliver also had a great cutter but I don’t think he throw it anymore.

12:21 PM 
Blogger Fred Brill said...

Book, IMHO ...

It's time to send Benoit to Toledo - and have the pitching coaches there Scherzer-ize him.

We've been in this boat before I'm afraid - more often than not. To me the question is ... which is more important - making a struggling pitcher earn their wage while hurting the team - or eating his wage while trying to refurbish him back to a usable part in the machine.

In the bigs - winning is more important.

Let Albequerque (sp?) have a shot at it. I like that kid.

PS - I hope all went easilly today.

12:25 PM 
Blogger Contrary Guy said...

He certainly has some interesting stats. From 2002 to 2004, he is horrible. From 2003 to 2011, he has a Saberhagen-like good year/bad year thing going on. Unfortunately, last year was a good year.

Maybe we get one good year (the middle one) out of three.

1:54 PM 
Anonymous Anonymous said...

Benoit had a baaaaaaad look on his face yesterday. It was going bad, and you could tell he had no answers. He was completely out of confidence.

I like the Toledo idea. It's getting late in the season, and they need to start making some structural moves, which they're doing, and this could be one of them.

4:32 PM 
Blogger Joe Nagy said...

You cannot send Benoit to Toledo. He has too many years of service to be sent down. That was not the case with Scherzer.

The only way to send Benoit to Toledo would be for him to accept the assignment. He would then say, "No thank you. I will take my $19 million and my outright release."

It is time for a fake injury and then a "rehab" assignment.

9:36 AM 
Blogger Joe Murray said...

I am in favor of trying Alburquerque in that role. He has a great pitch that can get major leaguers out if he controls it. Coke wasn't very effective at the end of last year. And he also had a rough outing in his one bullpen appearance this year.

1:31 PM 
Blogger Pat Caputo said...

Anonymous,
I like Perry's stuff and have long touted him, but he is so inconsistent it is maddening.
Caputo

10:30 AM 
Blogger Pat Caputo said...

Barry,
That outing in Toronto was not a good one. Until Perry stops with that, I don't see him as a consistent setup man.
Caputo

10:31 AM 
Blogger Pat Caputo said...

Fred Brill,
They can't send Benoit to Toledo. They have to put him through waivers for 72 hours. If no team claimed him, he'd then be able to take his release and sign elsewhere. In that case, the Tigers would obligated to still pay all his salary except the $400,000 minimum.
Caputo

10:33 AM 
Blogger Pat Caputo said...

Core Contrarian,
Last year probably was an aberration not a trend on Benoit's career. Appears that way so far.
Caputo

10:34 AM 
Blogger Pat Caputo said...

Anonymous,
See my post to Fred Brill why the Tigers can't send Benoit to Toledo.

10:35 AM 
Blogger Pat Caputo said...

Joe Nagy,
You are so cynical.
Caputo

10:36 AM 
Blogger Pat Caputo said...

Joe Murray,
Alburquerque certainly have displayed promise, but it is going to be rough for him if he doesn't change his pitch pattern. He needs to throw his fastball early in the count to get ahead. Not just sliders. That pitch is good because it dives out of the zone. Second time around, hitters will be taking it early in the count. He has a good FB.
Caputo

10:38 AM 

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